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...where a "dysfunctional" minority (of even ONE) can (try to) define a "community culture"!!!


What MNN --DID-- say in our 1997 "Warning" about online abuse
(including a reference to a 'Connie' who had "flamed" a 14 year old girl named 'Emerald' right off the Wilkins "Grope").

What MNN did NOT say (in 1997) about the experience of 'Emerald' and ourselves (in the Wilkins group) but which we publish now-- in self-defense; and to PROVE that our restrained, responsible reporting WAS the truth!

The attack by "Marilyn-insider Connie" who threatened to "expose" MNN as child pornographers-- if we did NOT remove "her" name from the pages of MNN!Who IS this person?

The MNN response: A police investigation of...'Connie'... that went all the way to the Deputy Attorney General of Kansas!
NOBODY threatens to "expose" --US-- a child-pornographer on a Friday...
and then, on Monday, says "We're done with you,have a nice day!"

LATEST NEWS: Kansas authorities were notified AGAIN, July 9,1998:
As another "Marilyn site" received anonymous email (SMTP-protocol, as admitedly taught to 'Connie' by her "friend", Castro@Terraworld.Net)...which included a death threat to MNN's publisher!
Marilyn would be SO proud of 'Connie'...her #1 "Marilyn Fan"!
(sorry 'Ray', but your harrassment of MNN's web server last year is just a bogus #2--compared to this sick bit_ _)!!

You are about to read exact-passages of how MNN reported (in 1997) on HOW "Online flaming" and other(offline and online) abuses of people, in the "Marilyn community" had destructive effects on people (illustrating the point with the mentioning of a 14 year old girl named 'Emerald', who wrote MNN and told us --what screen name-- drove HER off the list).
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(1997)
The DOWNSIDE OF MARILYN goes on and on and on!!!
The MOST abusive thing we've seen is the profanity that children who attended Peggy Wilkin's "chat grope" had to endure... before Wilkins got responsible and started (finally) "moderating" the chat.
MNN will never forget screen name 'Connie' (a woman?) spewing online profanity at "Zero" and chewing out a 14 year old girl (screen name Emerald).
And there was screen name clown, "Ray", asserting to the group that if he changed a copyrighted photo of Marilyn, something like "40%", he would somehow own the copyright on (his) new creation! Ha!
Tell that to the photographer or licensing authority you just infringed on, clown!

We used to think of the Wilkins Grope as:
MARILYN HATE SITE OF THE MONTH!
Fortunately, the tone of the hate has apparently subsided--
although one recent report from a young woman says she
recently received hate mail--for talking about the music group,
Marilyn Manson (whom she's met and even kissed-- where, she didnt' say :-)

Overall-- and aside from the Miss Peggy Marilyn Police--
there has developed a SUB-CULTURE of abuse and even hatred
--around the subject of "Marilyn"-- which its practicioners gloss-over with rationalized "comparisons" (of their own dysfunctions) to Marilyn's!

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We are publishing this now, ONLY because 'Connie' has called us child-pornographers and thieves of intellectual property and makers of phonecard crap-- to defame, hurt and damage us: Financially, emotionally, in the eyes of our associates; and we sincerely think, in a malicious effort to enlist the aid of the "Marilyn Estate" and the various money grubbs that are associated with the "Underbelly" of Marilyn. Inc-- to seek to destroy MNN in a "Class action".

If that happens, MNN will prevail and OWN the Marilyn Monroe estate (we could have bought the De Dienes estate--out of bankruptcy-- for a mere $30,000...but, as we told Shirley De Dienes, last night...that's not Laser Radio's style, to pull the rug out--from under a "Grieving widow"!
:-) Have a nice Day, Shirley! Hope you get a little money from that rip-off book, out of Japan, that I tried to warn you about. Let me know if you want me to sue Ed for selling that license to me-- even though (I think) he knew you were bankrrupt!

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OK kiddies!
Cover your eyes! There are some "bad" words here!
Here is THE online HATE SITE OF THE MONTH!!!!

> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 02:35:14 +0000
> To: marilyn@mozart.lib.uchicago.edu
> From: "Connie L. Full name Deleated by MNN"
> Subject: ZERO, GO TO HELL...

> > Okay, that's it!!! I don't want to hear one more time how your
ZERO ASS is in it for the money!!

(MNN editorial note: Laser Radio has NEVER...EVER said it was "in it"--phonecards-- "for the money". In fact, Laser Radio got "into" phonecards, with GO!PHONE--to GIVE money to non-profit organizations, like the 2,000 local United Ways that Laser donated money to--from the sale of Marilyn phonecards-- with the help of the Chase Manhattan Bank. This lie by 'Connie' was typical of her ability to twist the truth 180-degrees: That Laser WAS "in it for the money"!

You are a f(deleated by MNN) piece of
(deleated by MNN)s--- and I wouldn't buy toilet paper from a low life bastard like you!!! Why don't you (deleated by MNN f___ off....

MNN editorial note: Remember that this DIATRIBE was NOT email! It was POSTED ONLINE, IN A PUBLIC FORUM, WITH CHILDREN WATCHING! AND HERE IS ONE:

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> From: EmeraldXXX(deleated by MNN)@aol.com

> > All right, I know you may have been mad at zero but lets not start this > again. If you have something to say Tell it to peggy or zero, This club is > for marilyn. I have to agree with Kristyn, if we start disrespecting people > all it leads to is trouble.
> Truly
> Kim
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Editor's note: And here's how Connie answered Emerald's nice plea for peace and quiet:


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> From: "(fullname deleated by MNN)Connie" deleated by MNN@terranet.net>
> Resent-Message-ID: <"41XDI.0.CS5.iK_po"@mozart> > Resent-From: marilyn@mozart.lib.uchicago.edu
> Subject: Unidentified subject!

> > Kim,
> > I think you'd better GROW UP and mind you own business!
In the adult > world, we don't run to mommy for everything, you handle it yourself!
> Frankly, I'm just as tired of your whining about every posting that
isn't to > your liking. I know your 14, and I've tried to handle the things that > "upset" you on a personal note without stepping on your feelings, but I > don't need your guidence--ok?

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Emerald later quit the group--apparently after she got as fed up with the ENDLESS (seasonal) "Marilyn was murdered" fantasies.
And when "Zero" (of MNN) wrote her, to make sure that HE didn't cause her to leave, she wrote back:


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Emerald(Full ID deleated by MNNXXX@aol.com wrote: > > not you it was someone else, CONNIE (name deleated by MNN) TRASHED ME FOR WANTING TO STOP THE DEATH THING, I sent a request about a phone card but forgot return postage! I think it was you who sent that

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"You don't know who you're dealing with".


That proud assertion came at the beginning of what turned out to be WEEKS of email harrassment from someone named 'Connie' (who later broadened her "attack"-- by jumping email servers and including an employee of the "new" server, "Castro@Terraworld.net" (or, as we saw her do later, FORGE email in Castro's name) in her attack. It was a big mistake, when "Castro" declared "War" on MNN's publisher, on Thursday, June 4, 1998.

Because, by June 5th, Castro's boss wrote back to MNN: That "Castro" could have his fun--OR his job-- but not both.

Also on June 5th (with her and "Castros" little game destroyed) 'Connie' emerged, once again...this time with the emailed THREAT: To expose MNN's publisher as a child-pornographer... IF we didn't remove "her" name 'Connie' from the MNN pages, reporting on (her?) abuse of 'Emerald'.

Here's "CONNIE FUN" (which any Marilyn fan should remember is lurking in the mind of this sick individual):

"I will expose your pornography ring too. I saw your picture on the web with that young boy.... and don't even TRY to deny it, I have save it for further use. Doesn't that bother you to think THAT could be exposed??????

Phonecard/Porn peddler... You have NO idea who you're messing with. I have better things to do with my time than to play stupid email games with you.
But if you insist on pursuing this childish game, I have no alternative than to turn you over to authorities... for use in the civil case I am building against you".
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Then, on SUNDAY, June 7,1998,
after Laser Radio contacted (her) local police, 'Connie' wrote,

"All I have ever asked you to do is remove the slander you have written about me on your site. Do that and this is done. You will never hear another word from me in your life, and I will never utter a word about you to a soul.
Don't do it, and I'll get it off there legally, and you could face civil charges in a financial way. That page is defamation, libel and slander quite clearly.
Please don't email me any more, as I tire of your ranting....
I ask one last time...grow up John.
You know what is right and what is wrong. Do the right thing.
Have a nice day... Best Regards,
'Connie'
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And on MONDAY, "Connie's" game is over,
'Connie' wrote:

We're done, so stop this. have a great day. period.

Two days after writing "We're done with you", the president of "Connie's" email-server (one of four that she boasts of having) lied to MNN and said that (her) email had been "suspended".

We don't believe anyone, associated with this sick (____) and so we tested it (sending an email where the "subject" was "test-inactive account" and the "body" was one word, "Test").

Not only was it a lie (that the email account was "suspended" but then "Connie" used that message as "proof of harrassment" and emailed ANOTHER ROUND of defamation: To everyone in the world, associated with Marilyn Monroe, with phonecards...even the Laramie Chamber of Commerce!

And on July 11,1998 we got a DEATH THREAT BY EMAIL (sent with forged email headers-- SMTP-- which "castro" confirmed that he'd taught Connie how to do).

This was forwarded to us-- from an online customer of MNN's publisher, Laser Radio.

-----Original Message-----
From: Zero /Zero; you f___(Deleted by MNN) bastard !
(connie1997 /lens@laserradio.com)
To: Deleted by MNN /Deleted by MNN>
Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 2:49 AM
Subject: Product Information:
The Following feedback was received:
Zero, you "f__(Deleted by MNN) bastard"!(connie1997
lens@laserradio.com
1-800- death wish

Nobody on Earth (WORTH SPIT) calls MNN's publisher a child pornographer on Friday... sends that defamataion all over the world... then, the next Monday, writes and says, "We're done with you, Have a nice day and All the best, 'Connie'"...then, two days later, broadcasts more defamation to MNN's local chamber of commerce and "every fan club and web site" in the world-- to destroy Laser Radio's Marilyn phonecard business; which has donated money to 2,000 local United Ways and created the first FAN-designed celebrity collectables in the world!
And THEN... a MONTH later... emails death threats to us, using the SMTP protocol tricks that "Castro@Terraworld" (in a tape-recorded conversation with MNN's publisher admited teaching Connie how to do).

Nobody does that... EXCEPT an apparent psychotic "Have a nice day" Marilyn "insider" and "addict"!

The problem with 'Connie's' demand (That we abridge our obligation as journalists-- to tell the truth about the PUBLIC history of a community's ongoing activities, in a responsible, restrained fashion); Or that we submit to coercive demands--from the outside-- and censor ON DEMAND our reporting of truth; Or that we actually submit to an ungrounded "demand"... and violate the basis of law in the United States, guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution's first ten amendments (which place the primacy of self-government ON the free will of the people)... all of these outcomes were unacceptable.

And the REAL problem with all of this, was "Yes, 'Connie', we DON'T know who we're dealing with!
We don't know who you are and neither does anyone else! So GET LOST!

So, what MNN reported, starting in 1997, was that 'Emerald' (the 14 year old) had told MNN that somebody named 'Connie' had been responsible for the abuse.

MNN's reason to report this was simple: To describe the public behavior of the online "Marilyn community".

If YOU have received email from Connie (rhymes with "Hell"), please forward it to us at Lens@LaserRadio.com Thank you!

Laser Radio/ MNN's response: We faxed Connie's letters to the police!


Threatened on Friday, June 5, 1998 with libel-as-extortion (that we'd be "exposed" as child pornographers-- UNLESS we removed the name 'Connie' from our web site) Laser Radio, on Monday, June 8th, IMMEDIATELY "kicked" a local police investigation of 'Connie'... all the way up to ("her", as it turned out) state Deputy Attorney General.
The office of Kansas Deputy Attorney General, Dave Debenham wrote back to MNN's publisher (Laser Radio) indicating that a police investigation DID occur; that the local County Atty had NO IDEA who 'Connie' was (another lie from "He's my good friend") and that the advise of the state of Kansas was for Laser Radio to get a civil attorney.

We wanted THE POLICE to find out WHO we're "dealing with" because, in our review of past online abuse from the FORMER 'Connie', we found one reference to our being "Lucky to be alive"!
As far as we're concerned, anybody sick enough to threaten (the impossible task, in this case) the "exposing" of MNN's or Laser Radio's involvement in pornography... is also sick enough (to be working with the web server employee, "Castro" to "Manufacture" pornography.. or to hire someone to hurt/kill us (for printing the truth about an obviously sick person)!

It appears to us that the threats, defamation, lies and ongoing abuse of 'Connie' (who we're sure is still generating all the sickness she can) are really designed to destroy The Marilyn Network News...AND also destroy the 20-year-old Laser Radio company.

She'll need more than the "deep pockets" of Curtis Management or The Marilyn Estate...to PAY for (as she has put it) a "Class action lawsuit" against Laser Radio: Suing Laser, for what... reporting the truth and for revealing public, online abuse of a "Community"? Nice try!!!

July 11, 1998
Kansas police are forwarded the emailed death threat, received via a California web business (which originally received it As we've said for years to "Marilyn Addicts": GET A LIFE!!!